Why no word on Metro NY?

Shrimp here: I could tell you that the Sargaso sea is very wide and I have not made it home to my octopus's garden to be with you. But the truth is I am so sick from the dog and pony show that I witnessed there that I have not been able to get a story out.

That these folks are all ordained, that they not only made it through scrutiny but now are the ones that do the scrutiny is enough to make an anabaptist out of you, if not an atheist.

I'll get to it in a day or two.

In the meantime, call your bishop and ask him why you should have any confidence in the structure of the ELCA. When a bishop and his executive committe would plot to overturn an Assembly vote that was a four year process, why his fellow bishops are not demanding at least a hearing, if not his hide, I just can't say.

I'm so angry I think I'll leave the ELCA but keep fighting it.

Metro NY Synod, ELCA proceeds with Gay Advocacy officially

Shrimp here: Can't write just now, there is a guy pounding on the telephone booth and he looks like he really wants a shrimp cocktail, but you can read up on the synod assembly from an anonymouse (you really can't blame u slittle chrch rodents for not wanting to be ratted out) metro ny poster at alpb blog. I can vouch that everything said so far is true.


Please allow me to introduce myself
I’m a man of wealth and taste
I’ve been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man’s soul and faith
And I was ’round when jesus christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game
I stuck around st. petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain
I rode a tank
Held a general’s rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made
I shouted out,
Who killed the kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I’m a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadours
Who get killed before they reached bombay
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what’s confusing you
Is just the nature of my game
Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me lucifer
’cause I’m in need of some restraint
So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I’ll lay your soul to waste, um yeah
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down
Woo, who
Oh yeah, get on down
Oh yeah
Oh yeah!
Tell me baby, what’s my name
Tell me honey, can ya guess my name
Tell me baby, what’s my name
I tell you one time, you’re to blame
Ooo, who
Ooo, who
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Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Oh, yeah
What’s me name
Tell me, baby, what’s my name
Tell me, sweetie, what’s my name
Ooo, who, who
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Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
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Ooo, who, who
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Oh, yeah


Here's our test for today kids:

Metro NY Synod, ELCA proceeds with Gay Advocacy in a big way (with a little help from their friends [Payne and Hanson?]

Shrimp here: Where to begin? Let's see. There is this today in their synod E-letter:

Synods co-sponsor consultation on sexuality at Yale Univ., Nov. 4-5
MNYS and the New England Synod will co-sponsor a consultation on the 2005 ELCA Churchwide Assembly actions focusing on sexuality, Nov. 4-5 at the Yale Divinity Lutheran Studies Program, Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut. The consultation is aimed at moving forward constructively as a church committed to unity. Issues of pastoral care, liturgy, ecclesiology and mission will be discussed. A panel of Yale Lutheran Studies students will address issues relating to the future of the church and, in particular, its ministry to young adults and adolescents. Among the 11 participants are Margaret G. Payne, Bishop of the New England Synod; Michael Merkel, senior pastor at Bethesda, New Haven; Karen Bloomquist, director of studies for the Lutheran World Federation; Martin Wells, Bishop of the Eastern Washington-Idaho Synod; and Anita Hill from Wingspan Ministry, the ministry of pastoral care, education, advocacy and support for gays, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people at St. Paul-Reformation, St. Paul, Minn. For more information contact: Paul Stuehrenberg at paul.stuehrenberg@yale.edu or 203-432-5292.

Let's see, that would be the Anita Hill, the woman who seems to have won the short straw to be the lead lesbian in the charge on the ELCA assembly (was it the 2001 assembly where she gave her most influential speech? and the Journey Together Unfaithfully forced march began...hup-two-three-four)

That would be the same person that Mark Hanson (as Mnpls bishop) put forward to the candidacy Committee and kept changing the people on the Candidacy Committee until
she was approved for ordination.

Yes, that would be the same Anita Hill who tried to speak at Orlando while Sould Force did their nonviolent protest.

That would be here sitting on the dias with Bp Payne.... are you getting this. OK, who else?

Karen Bloomquist! The same Karen Bloomquist who helped write the disastrous first draft of the ELCA position paper on human sexuality! Yikes! What's this, she is now director of studies for the Lutheran World Federation! Oh no! Hanson, did you appoint the most radical feminist theologian alive (in the ELCA that is--I've met her, she's very nice, of course, but she does not believe Jesus is God, "not like God you know" and now she is)director of studies at LWF. We are so screwed.

So what else? Well, Metro NY is having a little assembly where they are going to say "Screw you, Orlando." Take a look here at the resolutions the poor folk have to endure Saturday.

Here's one:

PROPOSED RESOLUTION B
ENDORSING RESTRAINT IN THE ADMINISTRATION OF ELCA POLICIES APPLICABLE TO GAY AND LESBIAN ROSTERED PERSONS
Whereas, The 2005 Churchwide Assembly of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America urged our church “to concentrate on finding ways to live together faithfully in the midst our disagreements;” and
Whereas, The discussion of the 2005 Churchwide Assembly concerning the ministry of partnered gay and lesbian persons provided no resolution of the disagreements by the action of a substantial majority; and
Whereas, A significant minority demonstrated their dissatisfaction with the current policy and practice of the ELCA with regard to the service in rostered ministry of partnered gay and lesbian persons, though no proposals for exceptions to or alteration of current policy achieved a majority at the 2005 Churchwide Assembly; and
Whereas, It is clear that no resolution of this matter acceptable to all persons is possible at this time; and
Whereas, Service in the rostered ministry of the church is neither a right to be claimed nor a privilege bestowed, rather it is the duty and obligation of both candidates and the church to discern the calling of God for service in the rostered ministry in specific persons; and
Whereas, This vocation is confirmed by call of the church to a specific ministry; and
Whereas, There are many instances where the process of discernment has identified candidates and settings for rostered ministry where the only impediment to the call of the church is the preclusion to service by partnered gay and lesbian persons as defined in ELCA policy; and
Whereas, Many gay and lesbian persons, partnered and single already serve in the rostered ministry in congregations of this church; and
Whereas, There are many instances where congregations have expressed their willingness to receive the ministry of partnered gay and lesbian rostered leaders; and
Whereas, Rather than limiting ourselves to one resolution of our disagreements, we ought to “invest the talents” given us in those places where call is extended to and received by partnered gay and lesbian persons and discern the working of the Spirit through the lived experience of the God’s people; and
Whereas, The Rabbi Gamaliel convinced the Sanhedrin not to act against Peter and the apostles saying, “…[I]f this plan or this undertaking is of human origin, it will fail; but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them--in that case you may even be found fighting against God!” [Acts 5:38-39, NRSV]; therefore be it
RESOLVED, That in furtherance of the goal of “finding ways to live together faithfully in the midst of our disagreements” the Metropolitan New York Synod Assembly endorses, and calls for, restraint in the administration of those policies that address the full service of partnered gay and lesbian persons in rostered ministry, in order that the ministry of such persons to and with our congregations may be seen and we may discern whether God “prospers the work of their hands” [Ps. 90:17] and they may be “[known] by their fruits” [Mt. 7:16, 20]; and be it further
RESOLVED, That the MNYS requests other synods to join us in endorsing the practice of restraint in the administration of policies applicable only to gay and lesbian rostered persons as a part of the continuing discernment process of the ELCA so that a number of ministries across the church may be looked to as exemplars through which our synods and the ELCA may evaluate the spiritual health and welfare of congregations and communities served by openly partnered gay or lesbian rostered ministers; and
RESOLVED, that in this time of disagreement and discernment all members of the ELCA earnestly pray: “Lord God, you have called your servants to ventures of which we cannot see the ending, by paths as yet untrodden, through perils unknown. Give us faith to go out with good courage, not knowing where we go, but only that your hand is leading us and your love supporting us; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.” [Morning and Evening Prayer, LBW Prayer (251)]

Submitted by
Pr. William Baum, Pr. Michael Church, Pr. Amandus Derr, Pr. Gerard Gaeta, Ms. Allison Guttu, Pr. James Klockau, Pr. James Krauser, Pr. Gary Mills, Pr. Annemarie Noto, Pr. Brooke Swertfager, Pr. Phil Trzynka,
Pr. Dennis Walker
Our SaviorÂ’s Atonement, Manhattan

As pointed out over at the ALPB blog by a metro ny pastor, that is half of the ny power players.

So my only question is do you think Hanson knew about this before Orlando, or did he plan it himself?

later edition: Hanson perhaps is only guilty in the way of unintended consequences. A friend said that Hanson was probably more angry than me when he heard about it. personally, I doubt it. But since he hasn't commented as to date (Jan 16) who cares? I hope the whole lot of them are replaced soon.

Cease fire broken! Shrimp is back!

Shrimp here: Really had hoped to retire from this nasty human sexuality thing, but....

"in the event the April 11, 2005 recommendations of the ELCA Church Council are not adopted by the 2005 Churchwide Assembly substantially as recommended"

Sheesh, talk about pushy human people.... "IF" we don't get our way there is going to be bitch-slappin' hell to pay"

Is that what they are doing?

Go to their web site and check it out!

Let's see, New York has a harbor, and if I can ride this Wilma thing right, I think I can be there just in time. Let's see if they want to do a little shrimp on roll!